there’s an opportunity where we put some great trading together. My partner, Jason, at one point had about 20 people working for him, from all over the world. And it was chaotic in some ways, but you know, he short his team down since then. But the point is, he went through and he is very much a processed guy. Well, he had a process and so, there was a part where we helped to train you know, how to negotiate with an outsourcer. Did you know you can negotiate with them? Did you – you know what I mean, how you weed up the junk and you know, really again make a really good use of your time.
Mike: What are the main advantages of using this over like for me, for example, I usually will just go right to Odesk when I need something done. Is there a huge advantage that someone’s gonna have by using this software as opposed to going around and maybe looking around individually?
Bill: Yeah. Well, I mean I think you get to a point where when you go to Odesk and others, they have a search function. They are pretty well-organized. I mean, these people you know, these are big sites. I mean, they’re moving hundreds and millions of dollars in fees you know, a year. So I mean, they’re well-organized. So, it’s definitely not as coming in and saying, we’re smarter than you. We don’t like the way your site is organized. At the end of the day, what we attempted to do again is to be able to say, these are the kinds of activities that are out there. And then, we’re gonna show you that activity and be able to click you on people on Odesk, on E-Lance, on Guru, on IFreeLance, on Fiverr. And then, you can suddenly have these pools of talents in front of you and you can make some decisions, oh wow. You know, instead of just focusing on Odesk and say, I hope I find it here, we’re gonna be able to pretty quickly we’ll have you be able to look at these various sites and you might — what I find is a lot of times there’s some pretty big price discrepancies. You know, from one to the other because you know, Odesk is going to start to have this – the prices are all gonna come up to meet whatever is happening inside of Odesk. And so, to be able to see that in my opinion across some various platform is really helpful.
Mike: Are you partial to any of the platform? Is there one that you go to normally for specific thing or – ?
Bill: No. I take a look at all over the place. I mean, I think that you end up establishing a kind of a relationship for the company. So, I use Odesk a lot. You know, I use Fiverr from time to time. You know, I’ve used E-Lance. You ask enough people will go, well I only use guru.com period. And I go, why? Well, that’s just what I use. You know, I can afford it man. You know, so there’s some of that kind of thing and I think ultimately you know, you get to a point where you go you know, I like the interface. You know, I like the transaction – you know, I like the transaction process. You know, things like that. So you know, I mean I tend to go you know – I’m kind of an Odesk guy myself. I have some good success with them. I’ve used E-Lance. And every now and then, I use Fiverr. I mean, Fiverr to me is – I tend, in some ways, I don’t know – I’m like well, I don’t know who’s doing my work on Fiverr. You know, at the end of the day and maybe I don’t care about that. But I mean, I’ve had some logos done on Fiverr. And I mean, I paid 5 or 10 bucks for you know, a pretty decent logo, I could not have done myself. You know, I feel pretty pleased about that.
Mike: What is something that you wouldn’t outsource?
Bill: I have not outsourced product writing. I haven’t done that. And I know people will do, I know – and they would remain nameless, but I know people that you know, in general I respect and they sell very good products and things like that and they outsource practically all of it. And maybe, I could make more money that way and definitely produce more products that way, but I tend to you know, these are like little kids for me and I don’t want someone else raising my kid. So, I tend to do a lot of my own writing and I mean, that’s the big thing for me. Pretty much, if you look at the rest of the activities, what you don’t wanna outsource is your thinking.
Bill: But everything else – I mean, like I don’t wanna mess around with websites. It’s slow for me. I don’t love it. So you know, I’ll pay someone to set up a website and set up my membership stuff, coz I don’t wanna mess with it. I’ll pay someone to do graphics. I’ll pay someone to you know, set up every bit of it, so that I could kinda sit down in the plane and drive it as much as possible. But I mean – but I still even myself, Mike, I need to let go even more and more. You know, I know folks who – they basically outsource all their email marketing, every bit of copy. You know, that comes out of them is really not even their words and I tend to – I mean, I’m marvel at that. And I go man, if I did that, I wouldn’t have to do anything. And – but you know, I’ve been working my whole life and there’s a part of me that feels like I have to work. You know, that I think –
Mike: I think you lose something when you outsource too much of your business, like if you’re outsourcing that main connection you have with your audience, over time they’re gonna feel it and they’re gonna understand. They’re not gonna hear, oh this is an email from Bill. He’s writing like this again. Oh, he made that spelling mistake again or he’s talking about his going biking again or whatever. Whatever it is you do, like there’s not gonna be that little thing that’s gonna make you different from all the other emails they’re getting from other people.